Worship Band Builder Podcast

Keep Your Worship Ministry Pipeline Full of New Musicians with Jason "Bubba" Stewart - Episode 6

March 31, 2020 Eric Michael Roberts Season 1 Episode 6
Worship Band Builder Podcast
Keep Your Worship Ministry Pipeline Full of New Musicians with Jason "Bubba" Stewart - Episode 6
Chapters
Worship Band Builder Podcast
Keep Your Worship Ministry Pipeline Full of New Musicians with Jason "Bubba" Stewart - Episode 6
Mar 31, 2020 Season 1 Episode 6
Eric Michael Roberts

Filling your pipeline in worship ministry from kids to young adults to build your big church 

I sat down with my friend Jason Stewart from the KBC (Kentucky Baptist Convention).  He is the Worship Ministry Consultant for the state of Kentucky.  Jason knows how to grow teams and Inspire musician In worship ministry.  He has been doing It for over 11 years with 2,400+ churches across the beautiful state of Kentucky.  Jason gives rare and wise insight.... "It all starts with the kids choir!"  This may sound funny when you are trying to build a worship team or grow to a 60 member big church choir, but it is a smart and proactive approach to worship music training that will cause a church to grow and thrive with new and inspired musicians.  In business we'd call It "keeping your pipeline full"  

Some of the points we discuss In this episode Include:   

  • Your next worship leader is in your congregation right now
  • Craigslist ads may not be the best place to find a worship leader
  • Why gigging isn’t great for building a worship ministry  
  • Identify those in your church that want to use their gifts and give them an opportunity to spread their wings and play for worship in a safe place  
  • It is a process of training and mentoring and taking time to pour into young aspiring musicians 
  • Start small with youth and spend time helping develop their talents  
  • How to get back to recruiting and building team and leaders in the worship ministry  
  • Where to start when the goal Is to build a big choir or band.
  • Identify people in your congregation  

Learn more about how to start training musicians In your church at http://www.worhsipbandbuilder.com 


Connect with Jason at the KBC web site:
http://kbc.staging.communityq.com/stories/jason-stewart,2311/p/stories/our-staff,1037

Show Notes Transcript

Filling your pipeline in worship ministry from kids to young adults to build your big church 

I sat down with my friend Jason Stewart from the KBC (Kentucky Baptist Convention).  He is the Worship Ministry Consultant for the state of Kentucky.  Jason knows how to grow teams and Inspire musician In worship ministry.  He has been doing It for over 11 years with 2,400+ churches across the beautiful state of Kentucky.  Jason gives rare and wise insight.... "It all starts with the kids choir!"  This may sound funny when you are trying to build a worship team or grow to a 60 member big church choir, but it is a smart and proactive approach to worship music training that will cause a church to grow and thrive with new and inspired musicians.  In business we'd call It "keeping your pipeline full"  

Some of the points we discuss In this episode Include:   

  • Your next worship leader is in your congregation right now
  • Craigslist ads may not be the best place to find a worship leader
  • Why gigging isn’t great for building a worship ministry  
  • Identify those in your church that want to use their gifts and give them an opportunity to spread their wings and play for worship in a safe place  
  • It is a process of training and mentoring and taking time to pour into young aspiring musicians 
  • Start small with youth and spend time helping develop their talents  
  • How to get back to recruiting and building team and leaders in the worship ministry  
  • Where to start when the goal Is to build a big choir or band.
  • Identify people in your congregation  

Learn more about how to start training musicians In your church at http://www.worhsipbandbuilder.com 


Connect with Jason at the KBC web site:
http://kbc.staging.communityq.com/stories/jason-stewart,2311/p/stories/our-staff,1037

Support the show (https://worshiptheking.com/partner/)

Emily:

Hello and welcome to the sixth episode of the worship band builder podcast where we are working with you to lay the foundation for skillful worship. I'm Emily Roberts and I am joined today by my lovely cohost Eric Robert.

Eric:

Wait a minute. How did this get flipped around? For me being the cohost, I let her read the introduction one time and I become the cohost taking over the world. She isn't going to take over the world along with all the other ladies out there, but today we're having a special episode with a friend, Jason Bubba Stewart. I don't know. I think we can all call him Bubba. We can all call him Bubba Bubba.

Emily:

In fact, that's what he told me when, when I met him at first.

Eric:

So we just let the cat out of the bag that his first name's Jason, but call him Bubba and if you ever are in Kentucky, you'll see him there. He works as a worship and music consultant for the Kentucky Baptist. And I visited Bubba several months ago and we just had a little video that we did and then we did a podcast and we talk. He talked about some stuff, man, he's got some experience with a lot of churches in Kentucky and really just trying to help them build the worship ministry.

Emily:

Jason is a really great guy. The first time I met him, I was not supposed to meet him. Uh, I was supposed to be taking our son to go eat lunch someplace else so that Jason, Bubba and Eric could, um, have their own lunch meeting, lunch meeting, important lunch meeting stuff we were doing. And so, uh, I dropped Eric off at the Kentucky Baptist headquarters and I was leaving the parking lot with our son when he called me and said, Bubba wants you to come with us. And I said, no, no, he doesn't.

Eric:

That's what I thought. You don't know what you're getting yourself into because if she comes, that means he has to come.

Emily:

Yes. Our boy, um, well his nickname is the Wigler and he has earned it. So, um, he's, he's not much for sitting still and I didn't think it was a great idea, but Jason, uh, just loves people.

Eric:

We are talking about filling your pipeline from the kids through young adults to build your big church worship ministry. Now I have always called it big church. So when you get to play in the big church it's like, Oh, I'm going to play the big church cause you start out in the youth group. I started in my youth band when I was a kid, well teenager and then I went on to the big church. I got up there. So Bubba tells some good stories in this podcast and you're going to get to listen to our conversation right now I'm here with my good friend Bubba from the Kentucky Baptist is Jason Stewart, Hojo. Jason, he's been helping all

Eric:

of the churches in Kentucky Baptist. How long ago?

Jason :

I've been doing it, uh, almost 11 years.

Eric:

11 years. So he has been, I mean literally every time I see Bubba he's like, you know, with me. And then he's driving off to another part of the state and it's a l ong state, you know, it's a wide state, right? So he's all over.

Jason :

It's about eight and a half hours from one end to the other. And uh, I work with about 2,400, uh, Southern Baptist churches here in Kentucky. And a good meeting of them, good portion of them, about 2000 of them are a hundred members or less. So I am constantly dealing with a smaller congregations, most of them with a single staff person to pasture with and many of them are not full time. They are by vocational.

Eric:

I imagine a lot of times you come alongside them saying you can do it. You can keep going. You can you,

Jason :

that's exactly right. Sometimes a lot of times I found that Edison to reframe the particular challenge in a different light and uh, cause I'm a big believer that God has given us the resources for us to use in the local church. And so many times we put the blinders on and we just can't see. But if I were to sit down with the pastor and say, listen, let's talk about maybe some retired music teachers that might be a part of your church, or let's talk about some students that may already be involved with a church or a school choir or a school band. And by the time I asked a series of eight, nine 10 questions, I can walk away. Or we can walk away from that conversation with them having maybe eight, nine, 10 different types of people or potential people that could help lead within their congregation. And it's kind of exciting to see their faces when I first get there of, Oh my goodness, I have nobody to, Oh, Hey, thanks. I have some potential people that I can plug into.

Eric:

Yeah, so one of the things here is how do you, if you're a small church, if you're one of those churches under a hundred if you have all volunteer staff, how do you, how do you find talent? And that's, that's kind of one of the big questions. It's like I know a lot of times in the past people, I'm going to ask you this, do they put on Craigslist ads? I mean, does that work?

Jason :

Yeah, no they do. They will. It depends on the community. A lot of mock community is rural potential fines come from by word of mouth, uh, family members and by simply looking inside the four walls of their church, and that's the most exciting part is when they can look inside their four walls and see a potential name or two or three that they can pour into and develop and train that can be helpful for their church. That's many of the best way to go.

Eric:

Yeah, and I've been, I've been kind of saying this when I, since I built the worship band builder side have been saying, it starts with one and I've been saying your next worship leader is in your church Pew. I drink. I really, and if you've been listening to me, you'll notice I'm a little bit against the whole Craigslist ad thing. In my years of ministry, I've seen what churches, and I've been, I've been the subject of this, you know, you put out an ad, you go to a church and you get a job there and then after six months ago, well this wasn't quite what I was thinking for, but when you do that, you've got all those people in the church involved, you know, you're, you come in. So I really think that instead of just putting out a bunch of ads for worship leaders are going to Craig's list or trying to just go find somebody in the newspaper that you can pay to come to your church that we should be looking and training within. Just starting with that one person that really wants to do it, that has a desire. There are people right there that have that desire.

Jason :

Yeah. You know, in the, we in the music world, we call those gigs and you know, gigs are pretty much, you know, it's, it's a contract and there's really no heart that's put into that. It's just, Hey, I'm here to play. Then you pay me my money and I'm moving on down the road to whatever. Whereas music ministry, worship ministry is a whole lot more than a gig. It's not like it's a calling. Uh, it's a, it's about using your gifts for the kingdom and especially for the benefit of that local church. So I'm, I'm totally against gigging for sure.

Eric:

Yeah, it's called, I think it causes a lot of problems in the body. It caught in the church body. It also causes a lot of problems. Even some of my worship leader friends through the years, and I was guilty of this too, you know, like, Oh, I need a job. I need a job. I'm going to look for a job, and I drug my family, my poor family, his church to church for years. It's really hard on the church. It's really hard on the worship leader. I really believe that if we can change that thinking inside the church and really get these resources, like the band, build a resource to them, then they can find those people in the church and they can use people in the church and it will be much healthier.

Jason :

And I would say that if, if you talk to some church leaders today and you were to ask them, Hey, tell me about opportunities that your church gave you as a, as a young one, uh, to exercise your gifts. I bet you they could go back and they can pinpoint there were some specific time when they could, uh, use their gifts, flex their wings a little bit and being a safe place. And I just feel like we need to do the same thing for the generations that are coming up. Let's identify those that God may be raising up and let's give them opportunities to use their gifts and talents for the church as well. Because someone gave them, someone gave the church leaders of today the opportunity to use their gifts.

Eric:

Yeah, I mean, I talked about my story in some videos at Bubba and I did today, and so you can watch those on the YouTube channel or even on Bubba's in the Kentucky Baptist channel. But, um, it was, it was that when I was young, I got the chance to play and I had older guys mentoring me and now I'm able to mentor my worship team, my youth worship team in church. And it just, it really does change lives. I mean, I say on some of my marketing materials that you've, if you followed me, you'll hear me say four chords can change everything. Four courts can change everything. And it's true. Just being able to use the guitar and in that, in the right venue with the right people for the right reason, it can change. It changed my life.

Jason :

Yeah. Uh, you know, I can remember, uh, my days growing up as a student, uh, Roy Hartness, Jane Prince, these were my church music leaders and they work with me and they helped me even to direct a congregation with him. They, they taught me the pattern of the three, four pattern. The four, four pattern, uh, you know, someone intentionally poured into me, so let's continue doing that church.

Eric:

Yeah. So if you have, let's say you have a vision to grow your worship ministry. If you're listening now, you're still listening and you're thinking, I want to grow my worship ministry, but how do you get there from here? What does the road look like? And I wanted to just kind of do a few pinpoints here with Bubba today and talk about that. It's a process that it's not just a program, you're not just, it's not just a worship program. I probably been slightly guilty of this in my past when I was a young worship leader. I used to dream of this big worship program and I had all these visions to do this. But as you go through your life, you realize it's about people. It's each one of these people. Even in growing my youth team now, sometimes I think like we're doing this, this youth band practice, and somebody is like listening to me. Like, who is that singing? What's going on in there? And I'm like, Hey, I've got a process of growing these individuals. It's not just going to be like, all of a sudden it just comes out and it's amazing and it's this big thing. And now everybody pats me on the back. This is a process of training, process of practicing, process of mentoring. And it is about people.

Jason :

Yeah. And I think you even need to go back to the basics of just identification, identifying those people that you can pull into a I in the life of a church, every five years you're the, your congregation is changing one way or the other. Nick, you may be growing and maybe declining. Uh, but, but even within the congregation, let's say that you did not grow one person by one person number five years time. Well, but over five years time, you may now have a 13 or a 14 year old student who five years ago was eight or nine years old. I can't, I'm bad with math. But they, they had not picked up a flute. They had not picked up a trumpet. They had not picked up any instrument. They had not sang. In a choir, but now because of their school, they're involved with a school band or a school choir. They are showing some musical abilities and that is again, so within five years, so fast forward five years, you've now got someone that can at least has some music ability. Maybe that person is who God is allowing you to invest in to lead your music and worship ministry later on down the road. You need to do that.

Eric:

Yeah. It's a process as a long starting small isn't bad either. It starting starting small with those people. I mean you're talking about you know, young kids that are in like eighth grade. You don't, you don't think of that like, Oh, that's our next worship leader. But like you're saying in a life of a church five, six, seven, eight years from now, they may just show up out of nowhere and like, wow, they can really sing and you've invested in them and here's the big thing. They've invested in the church. They're invested in that church body. They're known by that church body. Yes. They're not some guy you just brought in off off an ad or they're not some guy who just brought in. Like, now we've got a nice new shiny worship leader. There are somebody who's in, who has family is right. And I think that's really a key in growing longterm, healthy, longterm portion.

Jason :

This is very powerful.

Eric:

It's powerful to have someone raise it up from within a Gog and use that in a mighty mighty way. I think that one of the downfalls of the local church is we will get, we'll get comfortable with a certain way of doing things and we will forget about recruiting. And we have got to be constantly recruiting goes, Lord willing, you can do. The more you have, the more you can rotate in and out. Uh, the more that you can dedicate to a certain feature of your church or through a certain service. Uh, I know many churches who've had the same sound people, same lighting people, same, uh, instrumental players for every service. And those people have been serving and they're almost served out there almost burnout. And that's not what we want. The, ideally we want them to be able to use their gifts, but we also want them to be served as well.

Eric:

And uh, so it, it, it's healthy. When you have more than one person for the positions of leadership in your church, it will help your church survive and endure a whole lot longer. And it will certainly help that individual, uh, be able to serve and be served as well. Yeah, I've, I've actually, I get really nervous in my positions of leadership when I know, when I realized that the same guy's been running sound for like nine months. Uh, what happens there? It really is a leader. A lot happens in that, then it becomes like their soundboard always. It becomes a real problem. So territorial. Yeah. So if you're a worship leader, if you're a built band builder, a pastor listening to this, it's really, it's really important that you find those multiples and rotate. It happens to the best of us. Even me, you know, if you play every week on a worship team, pretty soon you start thinking, it's about me. It's, I need to be there. They need me. I'm the guy. It's really not really healthy to have the same people all the time doing everything over years and years. You can't really, you can't grow. And then people think, well you kinda got the position filled so I don't, I'm not going to be able to run sound cause Bob's been running sound obviously for five years. So it's, it's, it's really important to open that

Jason :

and so logically follow that out. If you've got the same people serving in the same position week after month, after year after year, and they're never intentionally having someone that can fill in for them, then when they're gone at that position for whatever reason, then that position, you need that position to be filled. But you don't have anybody trained or ready to do that position. And I think that's poor stewardship of the gifts that God has given us inside the church. I think we need to intentionally be raising up those. We need to do as a church celebrate when the main worship leader is actually able to sit out in the congregation with his family and worship while someone else is able to lead worship. We need to celebrate that because that is about discipleship and what the church is called to do to replicate those ministries. So that's how I feel about that.

Eric:

Yeah. And you know, do you think that in churches there's some little bit of a thing like the worship leader, he's got to be there every Sunday. He's gotta be on stage. He's gotta be on that front, Mike. And if he does take a week off, what does it, do you feel like there's a little weird feeling? What's he doing?

Jason :

Absolutely. Well, you know, you'll have certain types of people out there and you'll have the ones that'll say, well, since he didn't lead this week, then we don't need to pay him this week. Right. And that's ridiculous. First of all, because anybody who works with the church, listen folks there, there is no such thing as a, a part time in a church. It might be part time, uh, part time hours, but definitely part time pay for sure. But, um, do you need to look at the heart of the whole ministry? We, again, we want to be able to replicate and, uh, pour into and train those that can come up behind us and do the job. And when, when a pastor is able to sit out for a Sunday, um, a worship leader is able to sit out there doing their job and we need to celebrate that and not hold that against them. Uh, we want to encourage them, those church leaders to do that because that will be, again, for the betterment of the church for years to come.

Eric:

Yeah, you're right. I've, I've felt that before in my, and I know that's there, but we got to get beyond that.

Jason :

Well, and it's definitely got, and it is definitely something we put on ourselves too, because we do have that Superman, Superman syndrome where we feel like, Oh, nothing can be done. Let's, we're there. Well, that's, that's horrible. That's a horrible way of thinking about things. If you're, if you feel like that, then you've done a horrible job leading. You need to invest in a divest of yourself and pour into others so that you can do that job. Uh, just for your own sanity sake, uh, good night people. You want to be able to spread that around and see the job done well, not just by you but by others.

Eric:

Yeah. Part part of that being a leader is that the best, the best, most proud moments I've had as a leader is when I have sat out and my band or the training band that I was working with took a Sunday. I've definitely felt that feeling from the church. Like where is he? What's he having a day off today? You know, I'd be back at the soundboard training or whatever, but you have to be replicating yourself or, or what if you're just sick one day and you can't make it, you've got to have more people behind it. I think that's, that probably fuels burnout for a lot of worship leaders and a lot of teams. It's a major problem. So it's not just getting the musicians but getting them, keeping them healthy. But some of the key elements that I have written here are offer training.

Eric:

That's easy. You got to cast a vision first. You gotta encourage participation, which is huge. Yes. You get to offer a training that is easy, offer some path towards training. And like Bubba said, be intentional about continually, intentionally training is the only way to be healthy. One of my favorite things to do is set high expectations. Absolutely. And then you've got to get your hands dirty. It's not just going to happen. You just throw out a DVD or a program or a book people and run back and then come back and it's going to be good. You're going to have to work at it continually, like with, you know, with youth bands and with training from the young kids all the way up. And I like what you were talking about, how if you want to, if you want a big church choir, you've got to start with the kids choir. Talk about that.

Jason :

Yeah. I've, I've, through the years in my position, uh, you know, I get the question, Hey, Bubba, we wanna we want a choir in our church. All right, that's great. Fantastic. Let's, let's start a children's choir. And they're gonna. They'll say, well, I don't think you understood. Uh, we want a choir and I go, well, I understand what you're saying and we can come up with gimmicks. We can come up with maybe one Sunday a month, uh, maybe two Sundays a month, maybe once or twice a year for seasonal things. But in order to have a choir that will have longevity and have intentionality in your church, you really need to build a pipeline from your youngest worship worshipers and that's your children and build that pipeline into your student ministry and then connect that pipeline into your big church, so to speak. You should all be a pipeline where you're training all along the way and you're encouraging all of them.

Jason :

The way those younger ones eventually wind up being in the choir. That may not be your choir because we're so transient in our society. Uh, I may be with you a little Becky, a little Becky may start me in fourth grade and my children's choir, and she may sing with me through my children's or through my student ensemble or student choir. And then she may go to college and she, she may move away. But my prayer is that she will get plugged into a choir or an ensemble, use her gifts for, with another church. That's kingdom building. That's a kingdom mindset. And uh, so I, again, when people tell me they want to, uh, uh, acquire, I say, let's, let's start with a children's choir. And so that's why, I mean, that's what I mean by that.

Eric:

That's good. And I think that goes through the band through everything. Most, most of my, most of my fun has been in youth bands and I'm getting a little old to be in a youth band. Maybe sometimes the kids don't think I'm old. But yesterday I was at the skate park and I did this little trick with my son. He's six and one of the kids now looked up and he goes, man, I wish my dad could do that. And I thought like, what did it look like? How old do I look? You know? I mean, if there's no, I mean, I guess it got a little scruffy beard, so it's not, it's not really a big surprise that I'm an old guy. There was only, there was only like me and one other old guy on the skate park. It's a dad bod, it's a dad body.

Eric:

He's like, Oh, I wish my dad could do an Ali on that. So yeah, that's, that's a, that's, that's what you get when you get old, that kid start thinking you're just old, you know. Oh yeah. Well Bob was talking about continually training, intentionally training. He's talking about filling a pipeline. And if you're a church of any size, you know, I've worked, I worked with churches from very small churches to mega churches and even even the mega churches will tell you, we just need more people. When you go to a multisite campus, they start telling you, Oh, we got four now we need four drummers. Yes. So this, this problem is really not just for a small church of 75 it's could be a 7,500 church. And some the guys that I've talked to, I look at these guys, I can look right into their eyes and realize they don't have time to give private lessons to everybody in the church.

Eric:

They looked at, I can't, I, one of my worship leader friends told me I can't give lessons to everybody that wants to play. And he was telling me that day he just wanted somebody to strum on rhythm, you know, and this is a big church. I just want these guys to play to the click track and stay on time. And so we're, we're struggling with this music training from all the way from the youth band all the way to the biggest stages in the church history right now. And so worship band builders is a resource that I put together and that, that I've been talking about that have been pushing, that the church has been starting to use. And what it really does for you, whether you're a small church or a big church, is it gives you a way to fill your pipeline, to start.

Eric:

Anybody that wants to go in the church to try to learn it gives them a chance and a way to do it. Now, if you're really big mega church worship leader and you just don't have time cause you've got like 80 people that want to get involved or whether you're a small church and you only have one person that wants to get involved, you're probably still working a job full time and you don't have time to train them. Or maybe you don't even know how to train somebody to play the piano or the guitar. Maybe your instrument is, is another instrument. Um, this is what worship Ben builder does. It gives an entry point for anybody in your church to start taking foundational lessons to teach them basic chords, music theory, worship Bible theory about worship and get them ready. The key is get them ready at a foundational level to be useful in the church. And that's what worship band builders doing. It's there for you.

Jason :

Yeah, I'm, I'm putting myself in the seat, that Bible occasional pastor who's already working, you know, 50 plus hours a week, a regular job. And then the church is recording another 20 to 30 hours out of my week. So now I'm up to, I'm up to 80, possibly 90 hours of work a week and I don't know how to play guitar. I don't know how to really saying, I don't really, I don't, can't play anything else. But if I can identify someone in my church who's willing to receive the training, and then I as a church can invest in that training and put that individual through that training, bro. That's it. In Kentucky, we cut it a winner, winner, chicken dinner,

Eric:

winner, winner chicken dinner.

Jason :

That's exactly, that would be such a help to me as a pastor, as a church leader, knowing that I've gotten the individual who's expressed a willingness to be trained and then I'm able to find that training that, that will invest in them and within weeks they'll be able to be useful for our, uh, corporate worship services on Sunday morning. That is great. And that's exactly what I want to do. Um, so worship band builder has so much potential to help our local church, find those players, invest in them, training them. I, I'm, I'm excited about it.

Eric:

Yeah. And right now at the time of this podcast, we just released our, our big guitar and vocal bundles. So it's the two big, the next bundle will be the keyboard and piano. Great. And then we're going forward, drums and bass come on. And then we're going for sound in lights. So we're going to have the whole thing and there's music theory in there. There's the Bible in there. So really what we're doing, you can just buy these modules. Once you buy the module, your whole church can use them. I think of also like the medium size four or 500 member church and you have a worship leader and somebody in that size of church. A lot of people, especially when you're growing and your bands kind of getting good, so you're not like real big and real good, like a mega church big, but you're like in that medium where people think, well I could do that.

Eric:

I could be on the worship team. So you've got a lot of people coming up to you and saying, Hey, I'm, I play the guitar, I want to play on the worship team. That can create awkward scenarios for the worship leader because maybe they can play really good, maybe they can't, and so worship band builder is also, there's an audition module in there where people can actually, you can say, we'll start with worship band builder and once you get through that first couple of courses you can, you can set up to be auditioned, you can send in a video. It gives a little buffer for those churches. So there's just a lot of cool things that we're thinking of doing with worship and builder and how it can help you at each level as you grow. For the smallest churches, it's really just about that one.

Jason :

Well, it also, if someone steps forward and says, Hey, I, you know, I've been playing yada yada yada, and again you don't know them, but by giving them this website, give them the login information for this, it puts the onus on them to go through and if someone goes through that, it takes a time and is faithful and actually follows up by going up to the doing, doing that program. That says to me, wait a minute, here's an individual who is serious about actually wanting to step up and help. So that's a huge, huge thing for me.

Eric:

Yeah. Yeah. In the mid, in the mid sized churches, 500,000 what I found is a lot of people want to play, but they're not quite ready yet. So as a worship leader in that size of church where I've been in most of my ministry, it's been a lot of like, okay, so you can play a little bit, but you're not really quite ready to play with us. But you think that you should. So this gives a buffer for, if I would've had this when I was leading, I would have said, okay, well you have to get to level two. And then once you're at level two, you're ready for your audition. If you do auditions, and if you don't, you can say, once you go to a level to meet me in my office and we'll, we'll go there. But it gives you a place.

Eric:

The other awkward moment you get in that in that size was David just playing and you're like, well, you're not quite good enough, but I don't quite have time to teach you and, and can I give you lessons? I don't really have time. And if you send them off to a guitar teacher or piano teacher, then they're not really learning the worship style. They're learning how to play piano or classical piano. So they aren't super useful to you. Even in the end of that. So this is, this is just really tailored to kind of help you get people to the foundational level if you can, if you can get people there. And that's always been my struggle with building really good bands. I want to set high expectations and I want to get really good. So I don't want to just kind of like ding dong around on the, on the guitar and just the band kind of willing Nellie's around. I really have always to have a good worship band.

Jason :

Well listen, I mean the Bible, Psalms 33 three says, sing to him a new song. Play skillfully on the strings. You didn't say play horribly, played mediocre and play says play skillfully on the strings and with loud shouts, we want to do our very best. Now I'm not here to argue, I'm not going to say perfect performance is abortion. I'm not saying that, but I do think we need to always strive to be doing our very best and with that includes practicing the songs before Sunday morning.

Eric:

Yeah. Pray. Yeah, definitely. Practice. That's it. That's all another [inaudible] we're going to go on that mean bubble beyond the practice, uh, onto the practice. What do we call this practice podcast that's, um, but in basic terms, we do want to set the level high. We want to, I've always always struggled with that in, in my ministry as a worship leader where people will think like, well, I just, I should be able to just play because I go here and I'm like, well, if you can play, you can play. But how do we really get that person ready? That's what, that's what foundations was. Most of the stress, and I'm not sure about UBA, but most of my stress as a worship leader has been just having a lot of people that weren't really up to the level that I needed them to be to produce the level of worship service that I was either being paid to do or that they expected me to do.

Eric:

And so when I was writing worship band builders curriculum, it was all, it's all called foundations because I realized as a musician, as a producer, as a songwriter, if all of these things together, if we get the foundations right, everything just kind of is right. I mean if the drummer's playing on time, the bass players playing the right notes, you know, music is built on those basic foundations and that's what the curriculum that I'm writing is based on. It's getting people to that foundational level of, it's not like they're going to be like the virtuosos and they're not going to be like the bad, you know, barely play. They're going to be those people that are useful. That's, that's been my experience and that's why I'm excited about this level of training because it's not overly difficult, but it's really foundational.

Jason :

Well, we just need to be intentional about what God's called us to do. And again, as church leaders, I would, I would strongly encourage you to identify those individuals within your current nation that have a teachable spirit and want to serve. And then let's get them plugged into this probe.

Eric:

Thank you, Baba for, for hanging out here in Kentucky. I know Bob was off. He's onto a worship concert tonight.

Jason :

Yup. Yup. Yeah, we're always on the go. But, uh, listen, I just wanna encourage you to look into this. I had my son, it was a product of this, and so I'm very thankful to Eric and his people in his program and have God's gift.

Eric:

Thank you, Bubba. All right buddy. You take care. All right. So now, you know, you got to build a pipeline. You've got to start from the beginning, and really like Bubba said, you know, I want a choir. Well, you gotta start a children's choir first. So think about it. Starting from the very basic beginning from the youngest people in your church and building and training people all the way along

Eric:

to keep those people driving towards the big church. So you always have somebody in worship ministry. You know, I think the worst part is to be in a church and not have anybody to do any music, to play guitar, to do worship. That is not just happen. It happens over time. We don't train, so I would love to talk to you. I will help you one on one. You can actually book a call with me. Go to worship band bowler.com and click get help and we will help you train and fill your pipeline that way. You will always have new musicians in your church and always have a thriving worship team. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you on the next episode.

Speaker 5:

[inaudible].